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My recent piece criticising Asa Winstanley’s view on the Lehi and Irgun was in turn criticised by an anti-Zionist Twitter account called @iwasid. The arguments they make offer a masterclass in online trolling of Zionism and Israel and I offered them a response in a blog post. Below I have included some of their tweets and my response to them.

Murder, Disposession, Genocide as Perpetrated Against Jews

Note this tweet;

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Zionism exists because of racism, ethnic cleansing, murder and dispossession of Jews. If @iwasid really cares about these crimes they should have some empathy when it comes to all people who are victims of them not just Palestinians. Zionism is about building a place where Jews can be free from random attacks based on their faith.

After spending millennia running from one country to the next to escape Jew hatred it’s hardly surprising that the idea of having their own government took hold among the majority of Jews.

And then when we finally do it the very people who were oppressing us for so many years call us racists. Where exactly were people who were so concerned about racism when we needed them?

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@iwasid seems to believe in the Palestine fairytale. It’s a way of looking at the world that only Westerners can do because you have to come from a society that has colonialism in its lifeblood in order to follow it.

The Evil Quotes From Zionists

Websites such as this one provide quotes that are useful to anti-Zionist activists looking for quick arguments to make. It’s where @iwasid sent me to for quotes from important Zionist figures. However offering quotes doesn’t mean you have knowledge.

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Take the middle quote “we must expel the Arabs and take their place” the source is a letter written by Ben Gurion to his son Amos in 1937. Here is a longer extract which adds context (I recommend reading the whole thing it’s fascinating);

Note in particular the line;

It is very probable that they will agree that we undertake the development of the Negev and make it prosper in return for our financial, military, organizational, and scientific assistance

Here we have an example of Ben Gurion arguing specifically for working in cooperation with Arabs in an area of land he had agreed would be part of an Arab state. He speaks of offering assistance of every kind to Arabs to help them and he speaks of his desire for an alliance with them and he justifies accepting just a tiny strip of land as a state.

This source proves the opposite to @iwasid’s argument but they have taken nine words from a long letter (itself just one of 750,000 documents in Ben Gurion’s own personal items) and used them condemn him.

It’s the difference between information and knowledge.

The Holocaust is Used to Justify Ethnic Cleansing

This is an oft made argument:

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Or more often phrased like this;

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A direct response to Brampton’s argument is simple. I can’t deny the genocide of the Palestinians if one never happened.

Furthermore it wasn’t the “fault” of Palestinian Arabs that Jews needed to escape Europe.

It was the fault of Palestinian Arabs that they chose to respond to Jewish immigration to Palestine with murder and hostility.

It is the fault of the Palestinian Arabs that at the point Jews needed help most they were instrumental in making sure the last open door was sealed shut.

It is the fault of the Palestinian Arabs that their leadership sided with Hitler and in the case of Haj Amin al Husseini, spent the war in Berlin with Hitler convincing Muslims to join the SS.

Indigenous

Note the use of the word “indigenous”.

Let’s apply it to people who speak about the one million Syrians in Germany taking away the rights of indigenous Germans?

Apparently this is considered a fair argument for the Arabs of Palestine to use against Jewish immigration I’m hard pressed to imagine it being used in any other immigration.

They accuse Zionists of being colonials and imperialists but they are the ones who refer to the “natives” of Palestine. They’re the ones who have the imperial perception of natives too stupid to understand what’s going on around them. Natives so incapable of doing anything for themselves that they need the Westerners to swoop in with their white skin and superior brains to save them.

When it comes to Israel any argument attacking the country goes, regardless of truth or logic.

Truth and Logic out the window

Here’s a great example of an anti-Zionist arguing both sides of the argument in an effort to attack Zionists:

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On the one hand arguing all the heroes of Zionism were racists and on the other quoting a hero of Zionism who argued for the positive treatment of the Arabs.

Furthermore the idea that Zionist leaders were racist in the first place is ridiculous. They were anti-racists trying (and succeeding) in delivering their people from the clutches of their tormentors. The Arab Palestinian leadership on the other hand found Jews to be anathema to the extent that they would riot, murder and ethnically cleanse Jews wherever they could in order to not be living among them. In Hebron in 1929 the Jewish population was forced out. Over 60 were murdered.

Zionism is Racism (again)

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He talks about the “wrecked lives” from Zionism. Israel exists because the lives of Jews could be wrecked with impunity until the Jews had a state of their own. Now this is no longer the case. And he attacks Israel for the cost in Arab lives that it took for the Jews to get to this place.

Imagine a world where Arab leaders in Palestine recognised the suffering of the Jews in Europe and urged the British to throw open the gates of Palestine to aid their brothers in the Abrahamic faith escape the tyranny of the Nazis. Imagine what kind of world we’d be living in now.

Then remember that instead the Arabs of Palestine sided with the Germans in wishing the Jews dead and that their riots ensured the British shut the gates to Palestine the moment the Jews needed them open the most.

We’ll just leave it at that shall we?





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